Talk:MAP12: The Factory (Doom II)

The walkthrough mentions monsters, yet these aren't present on all skill levels. For example, there are no arachnotrons on the outer stone platform in easy skill. I'd rather say "where there's an arachnotron in Ultra-Violence" (it could be UV and NM... but if the skill descriptions make this clear, it's unnecessary to mention NM each time, though not wrong). We often play on UV, but readers seeking basic help may well be using easier skill levels, and may get confused with descriptions referring to UV-only stuff. Who is like God? 21:35, 20 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree completely. Nuxius 10:59, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Couldn't agree more. At the risk of stating the obvious, most Doom players, and therefore most editors of this site, consider the original stock levels to be yesterday's news.  :>   Many of their walkthroughs have hardly been touched since they were created as stubs in early 2005.    Ryan W 00:56, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Red key
"The red key was present when Doom II was first released and was later removed from the map because it has been decided that it was not necessary in order to complete the level."

Do we have a source for this? I see no red key in 1.666 (the first release) nor in the beta maps.